A/HRC/36/60 production of disaggregated information, the generation of updated knowledge and the strengthening of national capacities for the analysis of such information. 23. During the interactive dialogue, Michal Balcerzak reported on the Working Group’s engagement with development and financial institutions. Ms. Fanon Mendes-France and Ahmed Reid asked Ms. Sekkenes to elaborate on how UNDP intended to address the concerns of people of African descent without disaggregated data. Ms. Sekkenes responded that more needed to be done to invest in the capacities to develop indicators and disaggregated data. Mr. Reid asked Ms. Fanon Mendes-France whether reparations could be included as part of the strategy to leave no one behind. She said that there was a way to incorporate reparations, including by addressing issues such as the distribution of land and property, and reparations could take the form of full recognition of the narrative of the past and the legacy of enslavement. The representative of South Africa, speaking on behalf of the African Group, called upon the Working Group to develop tangible recommendations to indicate ways to move forward with the Sustainable Development Goals, with reference to relevant information from the Durban Declaration and Programme of Action in relation to poverty. Representatives of civil society commented on the centrality of structural racial discrimination, access to food, health, education and employment, and discrimination in the criminal justice system faced by people of African descent. 24. The second panel focused on Sustainable Development Goal 10 and on Goal 5 on achieving gender equality and empowering all women and girls. Mr. Sunga stated that people of African descent, and especially women and girls, lived at the margins of the global society. As a result of its country visits the Working Group had reached the inescapable conclusion that people of African descent lagged behind disproportionately in terms of the enjoyment of their civil and political and their economic, social and cultural rights. The language of the Sustainable Development Goals failed to consider people of African descent as a specific victim group. He offered a number of useful indicators on Goals 5 and 10 in relation to people of African descent, including forms of reparatory justice for past historical injustices, including the legacy of enslavement and genocide: number of convictions for hate crimes, including various forms of hate speech and violence against people of African descent; prevalence of racial profiling such as carding and stop and frisk practices against people of African descent; disproportionate prevalence of solitary confinement of people of African descent; number of people of African descent who were members of the judiciary and prosecution services; number of police responses to mental health calls which included a psychiatrist or psychologist as part of the responding team; good educational outcomes up to university level for people of African descent; number of families of African descent who owned their own homes; number of women of African descent who were able to retain custody of their children and who were not deprived of custody for supposed mental health issues or other similar concerns; and prevalence of culturally appropriate health care for women and children of people of African descent. 25. Hillary Gbedemah, member of the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women, spoke about the convergence of Goal 10 and the Committee, examining the impacts on racial discrimination of persons of African descent living in the African diaspora. She pointed to several issues, including historical antecedents, terminology, data collection and the concept of equality vs. equity, as being key issues for people of African descent. She drew attention to the convergence of indicator 10.3 with article 7 of Convention on the Elimination of All forms of Discrimination against Women and indicator 10.6 with article 8 of the Convention. In conclusion, she drew upon the Committee’s general recommendations No. 34 (2016) on the rights of rural women and No. 33 (2015) on women’s access to justice to highlight the importance for people of African descent of ensuring access to justice and combating gender bias and stereotyping. 26. Carlos Quesada, of the International Institute on Race, Equality and Human Rights, said that although the Latin American and Caribbean region had achieved considerable success in reducing extreme poverty over the last decade, it still had high levels of income and wealth inequality which had stymied sustainable growth and social inclusion. Afrodescendants comprised 30 per cent of the population (more than 300 million people) but, according to numerous organizations, the Afro-descendant population was 7